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   a from b says:

   Sep 7, 23:11

   eh billy remember the ceiling falling down in strasbourg look at what i just read on the ukip site ukIP MEPs wore hard hats at the European Parliament in Brussels to protest against the ridiculous and expensive monthly commute to the parliament's other building in Strasbourg.
   The hard hats, also worn by other members of the parliament's Ind/Dem Group, were prompted by the collapse of the Hemicycle building in Strasbourg on 7 August. This made it impossible for MEPs to meet there for the first plenary session after the summer recess.
   "We have no need of going there at all, as this week proves," said ukIP leader Nigel Farage MEP. "Brussels is ample for the needs of the parliament.”
"
   Mr Farage added: "When the roof fell in, the rubble would have landed directly on the seats occupied by ukIP and the Ind/Dem Group.
   "Now I am not saying that there is a conspiracy to wipe out euro-critical voices in the parliament, but you do have to ask."
   i'll say no more than mmmm fishy

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   a from b says:

   Sep 7, 21:49

   hello billy ig and all ive just tried to post a load of links but my post is being blocked so i will give you all the link to the site where i got them
   http://carolinehunt.blogspot.com/2007/12/taking-liberties.html
   i hope this works

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   billy from bow says:

   Sep 7, 21:40

   Sometime during the last half-century, someone stole our culture.
   
   Just 50 years ago, in the 1950s, America was a great place. It was safe. It was decent. Children got good educations in the public schools. Even blue-collar fathers brought home middle-class incomes so moms could stay home with the kids. Television shows reflected sound, traditional values.
   
   Where did it all go? How did that America become the sleazy, decadent place we live in today -- so different that those who grew up before the '60s feel like it's a foreign country? Did it just "happen"? It didn't just "happen". In fact, a deliberate agenda was followed to steal our culture and leave a new and very different one in its place. The story of how and why is one of the most important parts of our nation's history -- and it is a story almost no one knows. The people behind it wanted it that way.
   
   What happened, in short, is that America's traditional culture, which had grown up over generations from our Western European, Judeo-Christian roots, was swept aside by an ideology. We know that ideology best as "political correctness" or "multi-culturalism". It really is cultural Marxism. Marxism translated from economic into cultural terms goes back to World War I. Cultural Marxism has become the ruling ideology of America's elites. The No. 1 goal of that cultural Marxism, since its creation, has been the destruction of Western European culture and the Christian religion.
   
   In 1917, a Communist revolution occurred in Russia. But attempts to spread that revolution to other countries failed because the workers did not support it. Marxist theorists had to ask themselves the question: What went wrong? As good Marxists, they could not admit Marxist theory had been incorrect. Instead, they said that Western European culture and the Christian religion had so blinded the working class to its true Marxist class interests that a Communist revolution was impossible in West Europe until both could be destroyed. That objective, established as cultural Marxism's goal right at the beginning, has never changed. A new strategy was laid out for destroying Christianity and Western European culture, one that has proven all too successful. Instead of calling for a Communist revolution up front, as in Russia, Marxists in West Europe should take political power last, after a "long march through the institutions" -- the schools, the media, even the churches, every institution that could influence the culture. That "long march through the institutions" is what America has experienced, especially since the1960s. one of its main components was introducing sex education into schools. Destroying the country's traditional sexual morals would be a giant step toward destroying traditional morals and Christian faith.
   
   In 1923, the Marxists set up a new think tank at Frankfurt University in Frankfurt, Germany called The Frankfurt School. Originally it was to be called the "Institute for Marxism", but the cultural Marxists realized they could be far more effective if they concealed their real nature and objectives by calling it a neutral-sounding name, the "Institute for Social Research". The Institute for Social Research would become the place where political correctness, as we now know it, was developed. The basic answer to the question "Who stole our culture?" is the cultural Marxists of the Frankfurt School. The institute discarded conventional Marxist issues such as the labor movement and pioneered work on further developing cultural Marxism into a full-blown ideology. They broke with Marx's view that culture was merely part of society's "superstructure", which was determined by economic factors. on the contrary, culture was an independent and very important factor in shaping a society. Frankfurt School members decided that the key to destroying Western European culture was to cross Marx with Freud. They argued that just as workers were oppressed under capitalism, everyone lived in a constant state of psychological repression. They realized that psychological conditioning offered them a far more powerful tool than just philosophy. Today, when Hollywood's cultural Marxists want to "normalize" something like homosexuality (thus "liberating" us from "repression"), they put on television show after television show where the only normal-seeming white male is a homosexual.
   
   Cultural Marxism makes powerful use of tools like radio, film and later television to psychologically condition the public. It is no accident that the entertainment industry is now cultural Marxism's most powerful weapon. That is how psychological conditioning works; people absorb the lessons the cultural Marxists want them to learn without even knowing they are being taught.
   
   The Frankfurt School was well on the way to creating political correctness. Then suddenly, fate intervened. In 1933, Adolf Hitler and the Nazi Party came to power in Germany. Since the Nazis hated Marxism, the Frankfurt School with its leading members decided to leave Germany and re-established in New York City with help from Columbia University in 1934. Soon, its focus shifted from destroying traditional Western European culture in Germany to doing so in the United States. It would prove all too successful. The Frankfurt School developed a powerful tool it called "Critical Theory". The theory was to criticize every traditional institution, starting with family, to endless unremitting criticism to bring them down, being careful never to define what it was for, only what it was against (notice current political opposition). Critical Theory is the basis for the"studies" departments that now inhabit American colleges and universities, the home turf of academic political correctness. They accuse traditional attitudes to be "prejudice". They incorporated into their cultural Marxism the "transvaluation of all values". What that means, in plain English, is that all the old sins become virtues, and all the old virtues become sins. Homosexuality is a fine and good thing, but anyone who thinks men and women should have different social roles is an evil "fascist". That is what political correctness now teaches children in public schools all across America.
   (The Frankfurt School said it did not matter if school children learned any skills or any facts. All that mattered was that they graduate from the schools with the right "attitudes" on certain questions taught by teachers certified for Cultural Marxism.) The Frankfurt School again departed from orthodox Marxism, which argued that all of history was determined by who owned the means of production. Instead, they said history was determined by which groups, defined as men, women, races, religions, etc., had power or "dominance" over other groups. Certain groups, especially white males, were labeled "oppressors", while other groups were defined as "victims". Victims were automatically good, oppressors bad, just by what group they came from, regardless of individual behavior. Who would replace the working class as the agents of Marxist revolution. In the 1950s it was decided it would be a coalition of students, blacks, feminist women and homosexuals -- the core of the student rebellion of the 1960s, and the sacred "victims groups" of political correctness today. They further took one of political correctness's favorite words, "tolerance", and gave it a new meaning. They defined "liberating tolerance" as tolerance for all ideas and movements coming from the left, and intolerance for all ideas and movements coming from the right. When you hear the cultural Marxists today call for "tolerance", they mean "liberating tolerance" (just as when they call for "diversity", they mean uniformity of belief in their ideology. The student rebellion of the 1960s, driven largely by opposition to the draft for the Vietnam War, gave them a historic opportunity. The Frankfurt School's cultural Marxism was injected into the baby boom generation. Of course, they did not understand what it really was. As was true from the Institute's beginning, the few people "in the know" did not advertise that political correctness and multi-culturalism were a form of Marxism. But the effect was devastating: a whole generation of Americans, especially the university-educated elite, absorbed cultural Marxism as their own, accepting a poisonous ideology that sought to destroy America's traditional culture and Christian faith. That generation, which runs every elite institution in America, leaders of unions, education and government, now wages a ceaseless war on all traditional beliefs and institutions. They have largely won that war. Most of America's traditional culture lies in ruins.
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   Sound familiar

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   billy from bow says:

   Sep 7, 21:05

   Forwarded from another group - a message from a Tory supporter who is not usually very approving of us
   ajw-s
   I am not given to highlighting ukIP's pronouncements because of its
   eternal divisiveness and internal arguments but this message here to
   Cameron is so to the point that it deserves all the prominence it can
   have. I saw this on TV last night and this report is also from the
   BBC. I have not spotted it YET in any of today's papers!
   I hope Cameron's listening.
   Christina
   You can watch Farage for 8 minutes on http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7600358.stm
   PLEASE DO SO - IT'S DEVASTATING
   ===============
   BBC onLINE 5.9.08
   ukIP must change message - Farage
   The uk Independence Party (ukIP) must be more positive in its message
   on Europe, leader Nigel Farage has said.
   In a speech at the party's conference in Bournemouth, he said next
   June's Euro elections should be a referendum on Britain's
   relationship with the EU.
   And his party would be the "only opposition" voice on the Lisbon Treaty.
   But the party, which campaigns for Britain's exit from the EU, had to
   shift its reputation for negativity and relentless "knocking".
   ''I think we have got to change some of the things that we have been
   saying and some of the things that we have been doing," argued Mr
   Farage.
   'Positive alternatives'
   "Because I think too often it's been easy to characterise ukIP as
   people who just knock and knock and knock and knock - we say this is
   wrong, we say that's wrong.
   "We have not been offering good positive alternatives and what I want
   us to do is to paint a vision of a 21st Century relationship between
   Britain and our European neighbours.''
   The ukIP leader has attempted to broaden the party's appeal from that
   of a single issue group.
   But he is still expected to focus on its opposition to the Lisbon
   Treaty in next May's polls - contrasting his party's position with
   that of David Cameron's Conservatives.
   In his keynote speech, Mr Farage said: "David Cameron could kill the
   Lisbon Treaty stone dead.
   "All he has to do is say that there will be a referendum on the
   treaty after the next election when - and let's not kid ourselves on
   this - he will be prime minister.
   "This would strengthen the arms of the Polish and Czech presidents in
   their refusals to ratify Lisbon and make any attempt at a second
   referendum in Ireland impossible."
   Retrospective referendum
   Mr Farage added: "Everyone knows that the Constitution - sorry, the
   Lisbon Treaty - will never be approved by the British people, which
   is why we've not been asked about it.
   "So if Cameron were as Eurosceptic as he claims, he would do this. He
   could stand up this afternoon and announce a retrospective referendum.
   "So the question has to be, why doesn't he do this? Is he not as
   Eurosceptic as he claims?"
   The Tories pledged in January to hold a referendum on the Lisbon
   Treaty if they won power before it was ratified by all 27 EU states.
   But they did not explain whether they would attempt to reopen
   negotiations on the Treaty if it had been ratified by every state.
   'Friendly with Europe'
   Gordon Brown said last year that a referendum on the treaty was not
   necessary because most changes were minor or procedural.
   ukIP achieved a breakthrough at the most recent European elections,
   in 2004, when it gained 2.7 million votes, or 16% of the vote,
   pushing the Liberal Democrats into fourth place.
   It has fared poorly in subsequent polls, gaining just 4.6% of the
   vote in the recent London mayoral elections.
   But Mr Farage believes the proportional representation system used in
   the European elections gave it a good chance of building on its 2004
   success.
   He told delegates: ''In the European elections of 2009, we are going
   to be on every single ballot paper in the United Kingdom, and we are
   the party of opposition.
   "We are the party that says we want to trade with Europe, we want to
   be friendly with Europe, but we insist that we should make our own
   laws in this country because the best people to govern Britain are
   the British people themselves.''

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   billy from bow says:

   Sep 7, 13:37

   No messing – no irony: this is truly good journalism, a job that only the media can do. The Sunday Times has run a "sting" operation on a corrupt EU official in Brussels. The story opens as follows:
   A top official in Peter Mandelson's European Union trade department has leaked highly sensitive commercial information in return for the promise of financial benefit.
   In a six-month investigation, The Sunday Times tape-recorded Fritz-Harald Wenig, a trade director, passing secrets to undercover reporters posing as lobbyists for a Chinese businessman seeking insider information.
   Wenig discussed the possibility of payment or taking a lucrative job with the businessman. He said he would decide further once he had provided "results".
   He leaked the names of two Chinese companies likely to get special status if the EU imposes a protective tariff barrier against Chinese candle-makers. The information is potentially worth millions to those trading with these companies.
   This was over dinner in the elegant Comme Chez Soi (pictured), one of the great Brussels restaurants. The paper has a more detailed report here, which is well worth reading.
   The information revealed (for once the word is merited) is seriously damaging to the EU commission and, as the paper says, raises "questions about the standards of probity in Brussels, where civil servants formulate policy affecting trade worth billions with the world’s main trading blocs."
   A spokesman for Mandelson, the trade commissioner, has said he would launch a "comprehensive and thorough" investigation. But don't hold your breath. The most likely outcome is a whitewash, with no action taken. This is, after all, the EU we are dealing with.

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